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Conditional Security
Scripturally 
Refuted

Part Two

By

Kevin Rae

 

 

 

 

 

Conditional Security
Scripturally 
Refuted

Part Two

Foreword

We have looked at quite a few passages so far in the first two parts of this study of God’s Holy word. We shall now change tact for the moment and look at the passages of scripture which prove Unconditional Eternal Security and some of the ploys used to discredit the text.

I pray the Lord Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. John 17:17  And that we may be obedient to the truth. Lord cleanse our heart and mind with your word. Ephesians 5:26  That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, And present us a glorious church before your throne Ephesians 5:27  That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

“and let all the people say, Amen. Praise ye the LORD!”.

My Sheep

The following is quoted from a conditional securists exegesis on -  John 10:27-29 that is supposed to disprove OSAS.

"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand."

I quote them here - “We must take note of something here. Who are the ones promised eternal life? Are they not the ones who know him and follow him? Note: "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me..."

The verbs hear and follow express a continuous action. In other words, as long as we remain faithful and continue to follow Jesus, we are assured we will indeed never perish. And concerning John 10:11-2.  The problem isn't with Jesus forsaking the sheep, the problem is the sheep forsaking Him!”

Note firstly, the text doesn’t say anything about remaining faithful and continuing in anything. It says Jesus knows them, and they follow Him, and they hear His voice.

Before getting down to the nitty gritty of the subject, let us just say that we totally agree with the last statement made about the sheep forsaking the Lord Jesus and not the other way about. The insecurists finally admit that the passage says the sheep are just plain rotten old sinners (even though they are saved sheep) who keep getting themselves into trouble, like the way Paul tells the Christian in Romans 7:19  ( Romans 7:19  For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. ) What kind of Good Shepherd would the Lord Jesus be, if he never came after the wayward disobedient sheep according to Luke 15 (Luke 15:4  What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?) These conditional eternal securists accuse the Lord Jesus of being a hireling ( John 10:11 ) and having butterfingers by dropping every Christian that falls after sin, ( even though in 1 John 1:8 tells us that the Christian has sin in him - 1 John 1:8  If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.)

The accusation from the conditional securists is that the Christian sheep must ‘hear his voice and follow him [Jesus]’ or else they are damned to hell. The question arises, is there a condition attached to the promise that the Lord Jesus will give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand?

John 10:1-5, Jesus tells the parable to the Jews

John 10:7-18, Jesus preaches about the parable to the Jews.

John 10:16, Jesus tells the Jews that there are OTHER sheep which we know are the Gentile nations who still have the same good Shepherd.

John 10 :25-30,  tells us of a later conversation with the Jews, but it is still connected with the previous conversation ( vrs 26 )

The Lord Jesus answered the Jews and told them they were not His sheep because they believed not ( vrs 25 )

Historically the verses John 10:27 -28 say – His sheep hear His voice and they follow Him. This is directly aimed at the Jews who heard Jesus preach and chose to follow Him 2000 years ago.

Inspirationally the verses John 10:27-28 say -  That the Christian is to be a follower of the Lord Jesus and to do as he would do. They hear his voice figuratively and spiritually and follow Him.

Doctrinally what do the verses John 10:27-28 say?

We know the passage is for the Christian because John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

These other sheep [ us gentiles ] shall hear his voice ( but when? )  The gentile nations didn’t hear his voice directly. I Know God can talk to the Christian audibly but it is very dangerous to build Christian doctrine on voices in the heid, and start following these voices. What a mess the world is in because of these ‘nut jobs’ preaching what they have heard in their heid, but what is amazing is that they manage to get followers, and deceived followers at that! Birds of a feather flock together!

The question arises, if this passage applies to the gentile sheep? Then the gentile sheep must hear His voice and follow him. If this doesn’t happen then verse 28 (  And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. ) cannot apply to the Christian doctrinally and hence cannot use this passage to prove unconditional eternal security.

The sincere student of God’s word will find the voice of the Lord Jesus audibly heard in Revelation 4:1  After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. And  1 Thessalonians 4:16  For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

These passages talking of the rapture of the Christian church will tie in with John 10:16, 27 perfectly and when the trumpeting voice shouts my name to come up hither,  “ I’ll be there!”.

The rapture also ties in with the parable of John 10:3 when Jesus calls His sheep ( John 10:3  To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.)  Check it out yourself, look at the passages, the porter openeth ( Rev 4:1… a door was opened in heaven…) and ( Song of Solomon 2:9...he looketh forth at the windows, shewing himself through the lattice. )

To round off this passage, John 10:27-29 is doctrinally applicable to the Christian. The Christian will hear the voice of the Lord Jesus at the time of the Rapture and the Christian will follow him to Heaven regardless how the Christian lived his life. If he believed on the Lord Jesus Christ the Christian has eternal life and he shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of Jesus’ hand as promised in John 10:28.

 

The insecurists attack - on the seal of the Holy Spirit.

 The Seal

Ephesians 1:13  In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30  And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

I quote them here – “First, there isn't a verse in Scripture that says we cannot break God's seal. Not being able to break the Father’s seal is a human argument and not a Scriptural one. The Seal is not something we break. The Seal is the Holy Spirit. (Eph. 1:13.) Secondly, it says the person is sealed, not salvation.

We, the big bad conditional eternal security people are told to stop using human arguments, but to use scriptural ones. So here for a bit of light entertainment is their scriptural argument for being able to break the seal, and I quote – I used to drink a lot of Coca Cola; but I cut way down to almost none at all. When I would drink a can of Coca Cola, I liked it really cold. Many times I would take a can of Coke and put it in the freezer for 20 to 30 minutes until it was cold to my liking. But on occasions there had been times when I had been distracted and forgot that I put it in the freezer. Of course it is usually my wife that finds the exploded can inside the freezer, which is always evident when I hear her scream my name in that special way. Now it is not Coca Cola’s fault that their nicely sealed can burst inside my freezer, all over the inside, covering everything. And unfortunately I cannot call them to clean up the mess either. This is my own doing, my own neglect, and I have to clean the mess when it happens. Coca Cola properly sealed the can, but my own neglect caused it to burst, as I put it under conditions that it was not meant to be put under.”

The above quote was from a Pentecostal Pastor, who also quotes ‘The Shepherd of Hermas’ to prove you can break the seal. It would make me laugh, if it wasn’t such a serious issue, how anyone could follow such teaching.

They claim there is no verse in scripture that says we cannot break God's seal. Equally there is No Verse that says you can break God’s seal. So we must take it that when the word says sealed unto the day of redemption ( Eph 4:30 ), it must mean sealed unto the day of redemption!

God is the One who sealed us - 2 Corinthians 1:21-22  Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God; Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

Even when false teachers are in the midst and false doctrine abounds and the faith of some is overthrown, God knows that if they were His even though their faith is shot they are still saved because they are sealed. ( 2 Timothy 2:18-19  Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.)

Conclusion – The Christian is sealed ( from the nano second he believes) unto the day of redemption, ( when he will receive his new body  Rom 8:23 ) which is in heaven where he will receive his inheritance Ephesians 1:14  Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

The insecurists attack - on the Promise of the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit

John 14:16 -17  And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

I quote them here again – “If this verse were the only one in the bible, then we would have to conclude it would be impossible for a believer to forfeit his salvation. However, there are many more verses that clearly make the statement above conditional upon the believer who will continue to abide in and have faith in Jesus (John 15:1-6; Luke 8:13; Matt. 12:31; Heb. 3:12,19; Heb. 10:26,29; 2 Pet. 2:20-21).

Also note Jesus says, "...that He may abide with you forever," He didn't say "...that he will abide with you forever." The grammatical construction using "may" is significantly weaker than "will", and leaves the door open for illumination from other Scripture.”

This is typical of the insecurists, after admitting that the plain meaning of the text says it is impossible for a believer to forfeit his salvation thus unconditional eternally secure. They go on the decoy offensive, and hit the unsuspecting student of the word with a list of scriptures, hoping that they’ll never look them up and see for themselves that they have been lying lower than a snake in the grass.

One would expect the quoted verses of illumination to have something to do with the text in question about the Holy Spirit ( John 14:16-17 ), wouldn’t you? No! the illuminating verses doesn't have ANYTHING to do with the Comforter leaving the Christian. In fact, only 2 of the 14 verses quoted mention the Holy Spirit. So we shall look at these.

Matthew 12:31  Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost is defined in the book of Mark ( Mark 3:30  Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.) Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost is saying to the Lord Jesus’ face that He has an unclean spirit. It is impossible to do this right now. So this verse is a decoy in illumination of John 14:16-17.

Hebrews 10:29  Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

This passage of scripture ( Heb 10:26-31) has to do with the tribulation of the Jews in Daniels 70th week ( Dan 9 ) The companion passage is ( Zechariah 12:10  And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. ) Scripture with scripture.

The Christian cannot look upon the pierced Jesus now. Who can? The people on the earth will be able to look upon the Lord Jesus when He returns. So, Hebrews 10:26-31 is the time of Jacob’s trouble ( Jer 30:7 ) The song sung in Heb 10:30 is from the ‘song of Moses’ which is NOT sung by the church age saints but by the Tribulation saints of Revelation ( Revelation 15:3  And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.)

Christian, I leave it with you to choose between the plain meaning of scripture which says the Holy Spirit dwelleth with you, and shall be in you and may abide with you for ever. Or you can go and try and force a tribulation passages into the church age.

 

The insecurists attack - on the work of the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

GOD WILL FINISH WHAT HE STARTED

Philippians 1:5-7

For your fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now; Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:  Even as it is meet for me to think this of you all, because I have you in my heart; inasmuch as both in my bonds, and in the defence and confirmation of the gospel, ye all are partakers of my grace.

I quote them here again – “This is true as long as one is abiding in Christ. Christ is no longer working in the one who departs from the faith that turns and follows Satan, and have made shipwreck of the faith. This is not a promise but a statement towards those who “fellowship in the gospel FROM THE FIRST DAY UNTIL NOW” (v.5). Because of their faithfulness, Paul thought it was “meet” for him to think this of them! (v.7). No unconditional eternal security here, or anywhere else in Scripture! Have you continued from the first day of your conversion until now? Will you always continue? If so, then it would be fit to have the same confidence in you! The Bible is clear that there will be some saved people who will depart from the faith. In his unrepentant state, he lost his salvation, he did not endure!”

Again we see these unscrupulous conditional securists accuse our Lord and Saviour of being nothing but a hireling by not going after the wayward sheep ( John 10:12).  Take a look at the adding of words to the text which these charlatans are guilty of – “abiding in Christ not there in the text Because of their faithfulness” again not there in the text, “continued from the first dayno not there again,  nor are they in the Book of Philippians.

Paul starts with thanking God for the Philippian brethren ( Phil 1:3) because of their fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now; ( Phil 1:5 ) After this salutation  Paul tells the brethren in verse 6 that they are to be confident because the Lord Jesus  has started the good work and Will Not Finish the work until the day of Jesus Christ ( which is the rapture 2 Thes 2:2) To say otherwise is to call Paul a liar, and make the work of the Lord Jesus void.

There is nobody losing their salvation anywhere in the chapter. What we have here is a promise of the Lord Jesus to work in the saved sinner. The born again Christian is sealed, indwelled, and being worked on till he reaches heaven. Amen and Amen!!

 

The insecurists attack - on the Lord Jesus.

Kept From Falling

Jude 1:24

Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy.

I quote them here again – “ It also says in Jude 1:21, "Keep yourselves in the love of God.” The verse says that Jesus is “able” to keep you from falling, not that He is going to force it upon you! Christ is able, if you continue to Keep yourselves in the love of God.

This is another wobbler by the conditional securest, to catch the Christian off guard. Jude 1:21 is what the believer has to do. Jude exhorts the believer to live righteously in verses 20-23. Then when Jude reaches verse 24 he says ‘Now’ and changes the subject to the Lord Jesus ( Jude 1:25  To the only wise God our Saviour,…. ) The believer is the subject in verses 20-23, and the Lord Jesus is the subject in verses 24-25. There is NO condition on Jesus for not being able to keep you from falling.

The second part of their argument is just plain silly. Paul is persuaded that Jesus is able to keep his soul. ( 2 Timothy 1:12  For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day. )

Going along with the conditional securists theory, He is able but he might not force it upon you Paul, so your wrong Paul to commit to your soul to Jesus.

Paul is confident in the Lord Jesus to present him faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy because it is the faith and righteousness of God himself that takes him home.( Philippians 3:9  And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:)

 

 "Nobody is as dumb as a dumb man who thinks he's smart."
Oliver Hardy

 

 

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