King James Bible Believers



Conditional Security

Part Two


Kevin Rae


Conditional Security


I pray that you have been following along with the other parts of this study. By now you should be seeing the pattern that the conditional securists apply the scriptures. ( using multitudes of scripture to muddy the field of play to create the illusion of a scholarly Bible Study ). We hope the mud has been washed away and the plain truth of scripture has been revealed (1 Corinthians 2:10  But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.).

We shall now look at the remaining commonly used scriptures, which these charlatans use to discredit unconditional eternal security. Firstly, let us pray (Psalms 119:18  Open thou mine eyes, that I may behold wondrous things out of thy law.)

 Fallen from grace

Galatians 5:4  Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Conditional securists claim - that the Bible is very clear that we are saved by grace (Eph. 2:8,), but we can also fall from grace (Gal. 5:2-4). Hence the believer can lose his salvation.

On the face of things one might say “that sounds pretty logical”.  On one hand you have ‘saved by grace’ and on the other hand ‘fall from grace’. The logical step is to link the two scriptures together and faster than Benny Hinn can hit you with his jacket, you have a neat little doctrine of devils.

But ask the question, to whom are Eph 2:8 and Gal 5:4 addressed to? Your answer will provide the Bible reader 2 different sets of people.

Let us look at Ephesians 2:8 (Ephesians 2:8  For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:) The word of God says ‘ye are saved by grace’. Here, God’s grace is the free unmerited love and favour of the Almighty, the spring and source of all the benefits men receive from him. (And if by grace, then it is no more of works. Rom.11.)  So, the Christian is saved by the free unmerited love and favour of God through our faith in the shed blood of Jesus Christ on the cross of Calvary. It has nothing to do with works (Ephesians 2:9  Not of works, lest any man should boast.) Paul declares to the people of Ephesus, how a sinner is saved. It says the sinner becomes a Christian when he is saved by grace and NOT works. 

 Now take a look at Galatians (Galatians 5:2-4  Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.)

Paul is not talking generally that the Christian can fall from grace. Paul has already [ again] stated this previously to the Galatians (  Galatians 2:16  Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.) In fact Paul is warning the 2 sets of people here ( 1. the circumcised Jew and 2. the possible convert to Christianity who is trying to keep the Law.) that if they don’t believe in the simple gospel message that Christ has done it all, that it is not by works ( Law keeping) that they are not saved and have succumbed to another gospel ( Gal 1:8 ) because they are trying to justify themselves by works. The early church had problems with Jews coming in preaching that a man cannot be saved unless he was circumcised (Acts 15:1  And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.) Also they taught that a man must keep the Law to stay saved [ sound familiar? ] (Acts 15:5  But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.) Paul got this sorted out in the First Century (Acts 15:11  But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.) Nearly 2000 years later and these self righteous hypocrites are trying to take the Christian back into the bondage of the Law.

Now with proof from the Apostle Peter, you can rebuke these conditional securists ( who are nothing more than modern day Pharisees) with the words of Peter (Acts 15:10  Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?)

Summing up, Galatians 5:2-4 is warning these men that if they try to apply any kind of works to salvation, then it is no longer ‘grace’. Hence they have “fallen from grace.”

The message of Peter is to stay clear of the sect of the Pharisees, because they’re wrong!


The Denial of the Saint?

 2 Timothy 2:12-13  If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

Conditional securists claim - Jesus abides faithful to his words. He's not going to tell you something and then not remain faithful to what he says. God is not going to save those who give up the faith and deny his Son. Jesus says, ( But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. - Matt. 10:33
But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels - Luke 12:9 )

And Paul dogmatically asserts:

...if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Many false teachers will say the exact opposite. They dangerously distort the truth and violate the immediate context, which also goes against the whole tenure of Scriptures! The condition for the righteousness of God is a continuous belief in Christ, and a continuous belief in Christ is not just a mental assent, but putting total trust in him, obeying him, abiding in him, etc.,

Well that’s quite enough of that ranting loon in the full moon!

 Notice, the vagueness of words to explain why believing differently is dangerous! Also they didn’t tell what the immediate context is! Nor did they tell the multitude of other scriptures in the whole tenure which were violated. Then, when the reader is so spun around with misdirection, the punch line comes right on cue, “continuous belief in Christ” . Where did that come from? Certainly not from 2Tim chapter 2. I don’t know about ‘mental assent’, it’s more like mental assault.

 What is the context of 2 Tim 2:8-14?

 The context of the passage is Paul reminding and encouraging Timothy of the suffering and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ from the dead ( 2 Tim 2:8 ). That Paul also will suffer, even bearing falsehoods against him for the furtherance of the gospel ( 2 Tim 2:9-10). Paul encourages Timothy to count his flesh dead ( 2 Tim 2:11a,  Romans 6:8  Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: ) Because the rewards in the hereafter are great ( 2 Tim 2:10c … in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. and 2 Tim 2:11b ,we shall also live with him: ) Then right in with the same context Paul starts listing the pros and cons of obedience to Christ which the Christian may receive in the Millennium Reign of Christ (  2Ti 2:12  If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: ) The question is, deny the Christian what? ANSWER - The Lord Jesus will deny the Christian a Millennium Reign with Christ. The Christian is joint heirs with Christ ( Romans 8:17  And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.) When will this reign be? ANSWER – (Revelation 1:6  And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.) But you say I’m not a king yet! Correct, that will not happen until the 1000 year Reign of Christ on earth ( Revelation 5:10  And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.)

 To stop Timothy fretting about the loons of his day telling him that he’ll lose his salvation if he doesn’t keep something or other, ( the sect of the Pharisees) Paul tells him in 2 Tim 2:13 that he is unconditionally eternally secure ( 2 Timothy 2:13  If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. ) Paul includes himself in the verses ( we ) If they believe not what the Holy Spirit has taught in these passages, then it is only the rewards and reign that they will lose (2 Tim 2:12) It is the Lord Jesus’ who abideth faithful, it is His faith (  Galatians 3:22  But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. ) Their salvation is SECURE because He cannot deny himself.

 Let’s pull this together – If you reign ( Rev 20:2-6 ) you will have to suffer ( Rom 8:17-18 ) and if you deny Him, He will deny you a ‘reign’ as you find it in ( Luke 19:11-27 )

 The other two passages mentioned by the conditional securists are ( Matt 10:33 and Luke 12:9 ).

Matthew 10:32-33  Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

 Luke 12:8-9  Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God: But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.

 The context of these two parallel passages is the Tribulation of Israel in the time of Jacobs trouble.  These people will not be able to buy or sell without the mark of the Beast. They will have to confess and not deny the Lord Jesus to gain Heaven, that is why you find ( Matthew 10:39  He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it. ) Again right in context with Matt 10 and Luke 12 , the student of the word will find the tribulation Church saints having to overcome, confessing and NOT DENYING the Lord Jesus. ( Revelation 3:5  He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. ) So these two quoted passages will come into play doctrinally during the tribulation, when the church age saint will be already raptured and away to Heaven. AMEN and AMEN


 Reaping and Sowing

 Conditional securists claim - Final salvation is a hope and yet to be reaped. Reaping eternal life is dependent upon what you sow to the Spirit rather than to the flesh. If you live after the flesh, there is no salvation. Below is a salvation passage.

Galatians 6:7-9  Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.


This passage (Gal. 6:7-9) alone refutes OSAS. It is clear by the passage that one reaps corruption that pleases the flesh. The passage does not talk about rewards as those who preach a false gospel would have us believe. It's about reaping either eternal life or corruption. Your final salvation is yet to be reaped.

 So this passage is a salvation passage, according to the condition securists?

 Firstly we are best to take a good look at a salvation passage and then compare. Let’s try Acts 16, where Paul and Silas have been demanded of the jailer “what must I do to be saved?” (Acts 16:30)

Did Paul tell the Jailer 1. You’ve blown it, you’ve put myself and my friend in the jail for no reason, so you must reap what you sow. You’re going to the fiery prison of God made for the Devil and his angels. NO, Paul didn’t say that.

Did Paul tell the Jailer 2. You made Silas and I so comfortable in the inner prison with our ‘feet fast in the stocks’ away from the draughty doors that we just had to sing praises to our Lord Jesus. Thank you Jailer for sowing such spiritual things to us criminals that it has saved your soul. NO, Paul didn’t say that either.

Did Paul tell the Jailer 3.  Acts 16:31  And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. YES, That’s exactly what Paul said.

 The conclusion from comparing a true salvation passage and Galatians 6:7-9, is Galatians 6:7-9 is NOT a salvation passage. These conditional securists have been weighed in the balances, and art found wanting ( Daniel 5:27 )

 So, what is the passage about?  ANSWER – A biblical example of a believer who sins in the flesh and his spirit is saved (1 Corinthians 5:1-5  It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you. For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,  In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. )

 Does not Galatians 6:7-9, complement 1 Corinthians 5:1-5, without twisting anything?

 Where does Paul talk about final salvation? Ah! let me think. ( Galatians 1:8-9  But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. )


 Part 5 to come

 when the insecurists

can find more scriptures

to wrestle.





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